But it looks like poo!
Jan. 9th, 2004 10:52 amWas bored, thought I'd check out the Human Rights Campaign home page to see if anything new of interest was posted. The top link was something to the effect of "MGM bill to stop genital mutilation." And I'm all, "Hey, I'm against genital mutilation. Click!"
Turns out the bill is against circumcision of infant males. I spent time trying to find out why this was so bad. Instead, it felt like the ol' "how do you keep an idiot busy for hours?" gag. Every page had a link. "To see why we're against male infant genital mutilation, click here." Click. "Welcome to the anit-male genital mutilation page! Click here to see why we're against male infant circumcision!" Click. "To see why..."
Finally I found the Doctors Opposing Circumcision page, which had some sort of explanation, though completely devoid of any health-related reasons. The End of Circumcision in America states that circumcision is painful, embarrassing, and goes against the Hippocratic Oath. Two interesting quotes from the page:
"Fear, pain, crippling, disfigurement and humiliation are the classic ways to break the human spirit. Circumcision includes them all."
- a circumcision victim
(from The Joy of Uncircumcising! by Jim Bigelow, PhD, Hourglass Books)
Now, as some of you may know, I'm not a man. My ownership of a penis is more contractual in nature. Nonetheless, I can't imagine that an operation (according to TEoC, circumcision isn't surgery) done immediately after birth to a little piece of skin which makes the penis look bigger afterwards (and according to my junk email box, that's what y'all are perpetually trying to do anyway), is crippling, disfiguring, and humiliating. (Unless you're referring to Roman times, when sports were played naked, and the Jewish athletes were fied upon for showing the glans of their penis. I don't think naked basketball is going on down at the YMCA.) Besides, if circumcision's so crippling, make special "circumcised parking only" spots at the mall. Please.
Not to mention uncircumcised penises look like turds. No, I'm not apologizing for that (unless you can prove otherwise); they DO.
"Having to justify the foreskin is like having to justify breast feeding!"
I fail to see the correlation between "nourishment" and "extra skin."
And still, no medical proof or facts stating that circumcision is bad or unhealthy. Well, other than conjecture:
America has the highest rate of AIDS in the industrialized world, and is the only major country which circumcises a majority of its males. Is there a connection? We do not know.
Hmmm...I have a livejournal, and I don't have AIDS. In fact, a lot of my friends have livejournals, and I don't know anyone with AIDS. There MUST be a connection! I know we have a lot of STUPID people in this country; many that don't have protected sex and still share needles. Maybe that's the connection. And if circumcision leads to increased risk of AIDS, then women are in the clear, right?
Well, that's enough for me. Any males care to weigh in on the issue? Or anyone who has any sound medical reasons behind not performing this? No, I don't know why I'm so interested. Perhaps because there'a group of people who equate this with "mutilation", which is like calling physical therapy "beating."
>^..^
Turns out the bill is against circumcision of infant males. I spent time trying to find out why this was so bad. Instead, it felt like the ol' "how do you keep an idiot busy for hours?" gag. Every page had a link. "To see why we're against male infant genital mutilation, click here." Click. "Welcome to the anit-male genital mutilation page! Click here to see why we're against male infant circumcision!" Click. "To see why..."
Finally I found the Doctors Opposing Circumcision page, which had some sort of explanation, though completely devoid of any health-related reasons. The End of Circumcision in America states that circumcision is painful, embarrassing, and goes against the Hippocratic Oath. Two interesting quotes from the page:
"Fear, pain, crippling, disfigurement and humiliation are the classic ways to break the human spirit. Circumcision includes them all."
- a circumcision victim
(from The Joy of Uncircumcising! by Jim Bigelow, PhD, Hourglass Books)
Now, as some of you may know, I'm not a man. My ownership of a penis is more contractual in nature. Nonetheless, I can't imagine that an operation (according to TEoC, circumcision isn't surgery) done immediately after birth to a little piece of skin which makes the penis look bigger afterwards (and according to my junk email box, that's what y'all are perpetually trying to do anyway), is crippling, disfiguring, and humiliating. (Unless you're referring to Roman times, when sports were played naked, and the Jewish athletes were fied upon for showing the glans of their penis. I don't think naked basketball is going on down at the YMCA.) Besides, if circumcision's so crippling, make special "circumcised parking only" spots at the mall. Please.
Not to mention uncircumcised penises look like turds. No, I'm not apologizing for that (unless you can prove otherwise); they DO.
"Having to justify the foreskin is like having to justify breast feeding!"
I fail to see the correlation between "nourishment" and "extra skin."
And still, no medical proof or facts stating that circumcision is bad or unhealthy. Well, other than conjecture:
America has the highest rate of AIDS in the industrialized world, and is the only major country which circumcises a majority of its males. Is there a connection? We do not know.
Hmmm...I have a livejournal, and I don't have AIDS. In fact, a lot of my friends have livejournals, and I don't know anyone with AIDS. There MUST be a connection! I know we have a lot of STUPID people in this country; many that don't have protected sex and still share needles. Maybe that's the connection. And if circumcision leads to increased risk of AIDS, then women are in the clear, right?
Well, that's enough for me. Any males care to weigh in on the issue? Or anyone who has any sound medical reasons behind not performing this? No, I don't know why I'm so interested. Perhaps because there'a group of people who equate this with "mutilation", which is like calling physical therapy "beating."
>^..^
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Date: 2004-01-09 08:45 am (UTC)Then what do they call whacking off?
(I feel that I should be shaking a cigar between my fingers and rolling my eyes right now. Does Rob still have his Groucho Marx t-shirt that he wore in high school?)
But, seriously. If this was about ending FEMALE circumcision, then yes, they'd have a very good cause. But since male circumcision is a. Biblical and b. sanitary (even gentile babies get circumcised nowadays) then it's not surprising they have one fact per page. And it also really pisses me off that many writers have excellent books that they can't get published, yet somehow some publisher said 'The Joys of Uncircumcision'? That sounds like a GRRRRREEEATTTT book!' What, does it come with a free dildo, complete with foreskin?
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Date: 2004-01-09 09:03 am (UTC)There was one group called "Foreskin," and I thought it would have been much wittier to call it "ForSkin." Cuz it sounds like "foreskin," but they're FOR the foreskin, so...heh. Eh.
>^..^
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Date: 2004-01-10 10:53 am (UTC)Really, if they called themselves that, they'd at least get kitsch cred.
Heh, bubblegum. EEEWWWWW. Heh heh heh. Well, now we've ruined jolly ranchers and bubble gum. What candy is next?
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Date: 2004-01-10 07:21 pm (UTC)>^..^
Circumcision is fucked up
Date: 2004-01-09 09:31 am (UTC)It's a pile of shit if you ask me.
Bitter? Me?
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Date: 2004-01-09 10:47 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-01-13 12:26 pm (UTC)Where I come from they're (the powers that be in control of our Medical Coverage) are now carging $300.00 for a circusion to be done. **shrugs** I don't know if it's easier when the male is an infant or when he's an adult. If it's going to cost anyway, why not let him choose for himself? Of course, this brings to mind dogs and docking of their tails. The older the dog the more painful the procedure. **shrugs** I don't know. If I were a man and the choice were up to me...I'd probably just prefer to get it over with as soon as possible if there were any possibility of illness or disease resulting from having that little piece of sking still attached to my what-not.
And that's about all I can say on that subject without permanently turning red (yes, I'm a prude).
^_^x
Chiruken