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So there's this Trigun fic on FFN that's cute and fluffy. Not the best stuff I've ever read, but hey, coming from the pit of voles (™ Arafel), ain't bad. Then she writes this chapter with two such unbelievable original characters that it throws off the cute fluffiness, and I call her on it. She responds, in her author's notes for a chapter, that I should introduce her to the men I know that act their age
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So there's this Trigun fic on FFN that's cute and fluffy. Not the best stuff I've ever read, but hey, coming from the pit of voles (™ Arafel), ain't bad. Then she writes this chapter with two such unbelievable original characters that it throws off the cute fluffiness, and I call her on it. She responds, in her author's notes for a chapter, that I should introduce her to the men I know that act their age <snap, snap>.

I don't take fights to the review page. Primarily because I've seen review pages turned into flame wars and message boards. Secondly because it would only raise her review count. ^_^

<lj-cut text="So I emailed her.">So I emailed her.

<I>I enjoy "Take My Hand." Seriously. It's sweet and fluffy and cute. Now and then it raises a few questions, but nothing so big I can't suspend my disbelief.

Except with the brothers. It's an issue I hate to harp on, but you and your imoto or ototo or whatever (my fangirl japanese dictionary is in my other jeans) seem to be so cocky about it, I had to speak up.

There is a difference between men who don't act their age and poorly written men who act like asses. I just graduated from college. Of COURSE I know men don't act their age. I've seen frat boys galore. But not acting one's age does NOT involve a complete loss of decorum. It does not involve giving obvious death glares to a man you've just met just because he's making your very adult sister happy. It does not involve calling him a loser to his face, in front of your entire family, without being drunk. It does not involve calling him "fucking ugly." In fact, even in their thirties, I know quite a few people who'd get hit for dropping the f-word at the dinner table in front of their parents.

And normally, I really wouldn't care to remind you of this, but your author's notes as of late have gotten cockier, and I figured you needed a few things explained to you. Having a bunch of reviews on ffn does not make you the greatest writer in the world. You can improve. Everyone can always do better. But you'll never find out what you're truly capable of if you prefer to listen to your friend Jade (Hell, any friend - they rarely give honest thoughts) and reviews that read "OMG this is soooogoood RITE MORE OK!". You have to listen to those who give you real critique, those who question your motives, and ask yourself why you've written things they way you have.

And if your original response is true, that you really, really, truly do know men that insane and aggressive, then I wonder why you're writing fic now. Dearie, pack your bags and get the Hell outta Dodge. Suggest that any female friends in the area do the same. People like that shouldn't be allowed to spawn.

Then write fic. Because again, "Take My Hand" is fun fluff.</I>

Yeah, a bit bitchy. Side effect of being a bitch.</lj-cut>

<lj-cut text="Her reply.">Her reply.

<I>Okay, thank you for your concern, but I was only sharing that review with you guys because I thought it was hilarious. If you would rather that I kept my opinions about what is funny and what is not to myself, perhaps I should just stop writing altogether, as that is the implication it sends. I will explain the brothers to you individually only because you took the time to write to me about it, and then I will consider the case closed, as I'm becoming frighteningly close to simply stopping that fic altogether, not because I can't end it, but because I'm getting very tired of telling you guys the same things over and over again.

Now, I don't know if you meant to be catty with the fangirl japanese comment, but it definitely came off that way, and I will have you know that I have taken two years of japanese at the college level, so I would most definitely appreciate it if you would not insult my grasp of the language. Imouto is younger sister, otouto is younger brother, and Jade is not my only my friend, but as I say almost every time I mention her in any fic, she is my imouto. Thus, we have obviously known each other a long time and we are far beyond indulgent agreements with whatever the other suggests. We edit and proof each other's writing, so basically no chapter reaches you guys without going through her first, and she is more than willing to speak up if she thinks that I have portrayed anything in a manner that is awkward, poorly written, or overly contrived. We do this all the time and are quite used to it. You may think we are cocky on the subject, but the fact of the matter is that the voice you hear in my author's notes is the voice I speak with at all times. I'm not being overly cocky for your benefit, I'm like that all the time. If you knew Jade and I at all, you would know that the exchange in that introduction is something that could have easily been pulled from our everyday conversation. Meryl may not be a cocky smartass, but I am, and so it obviously becomes apparent when I write from my point of view, especially contrasting it to what you are used to hearing me write: hers.

I may not be as old as you, being only an incoming junior in college, but two years makes little difference in male exposure when you have three rambunctious brothers and have been through six different stepfathers, not to mention the uncles, all the brothers friends, friends of the family, my own friends (many of which are men, including my best friend) and so on. At times, I feel that I know men better than I know women, not because I'm over-simplifying matters, but because I've always been so much more comfortable around them that I've had more time watching them, learning their behaviors, and imitating them. Gavin and Aaron are based on composites of four young men and a learned observation of how much men change in ten or twenty years. The four young men are not Gavin and Aaron's age, but I know many men who are (refer to family friends, uncles, and stepfathers) and from observing not only my brothers and two other brothers who seem to think they must defend my honor, as well as the typical response of stepfathers who in my family end up acting much like older brothers as they don't receive the authority to take on a full father position, I have a pretty damn good idea of what boys act like from the ages of five through fifty. There are changes, I'll give you that, but I have seen my grandmother scold my uncle over something that my own brother was scolded for not ten days past. I also would like to add that Meryl's mother was based off of three different mothers I know, and that although their son's would be in trouble for cursing in front of a stranger, they would not act so immaturely as to hit their sons at the dinner table.

Normally, I wouldn't really care about such niggling details. You have no idea how many ridiculous reviews I get asking about inane things that make me stare at the computer screen and blink before saying "did this person even READ the story?" before calling Jade over to see if she can make head or tail of what the person is saying. We make an honest effort to understand what our readers are saying, but sometimes, they become totally obsessed with something as completely unimportant as if THEY think I understand brothers or not. I know I'm not the best writer in the world, and I seriously think it's a crime that Take My Hand has so many reviews when it has no real plot! Seriously, have any of you people even been reading it? No plot, whatsoever! It's just a mound of mindless drivel that I put together because my sister bet me ten bucks I could never write a lime scene. So you guys sit there and talk about something like "Hmm...I think this is a very well written story, and it's very in character, but honestly, do brothers act that way? And where's his jacket?" and you wonder why Jade and I laugh? It's a joke, do you get it? This fic is probably the least well planned piece of random fluff that I've pulled out of my ass ever, and you guys are gobbling it up! It's FUNNY!

And the fact of the matter is that you can explain and explain to me about how wrong I am until you're blue in the face, but I KNOW my brothers. I know Zeb and James and I know Adam and Jeff, and I know Thor, and I know how to write people I'm close to better than anything else I can write. I've known these people for twenty years, and I really don't think that you can honestly sit there and tell me that I don't know my brothers at all, they act nothing like that, and oh, by the way, your sister may agree with how you wrote them (they're her brothers too, after all) but it's obviously nothing more than an indulgent lie, as your sister (and all your other friends) have never spoken one honest word to you in your life! Wow, thank you, I will really, really, take that indepth analysis of my personal life to heart.

And yes, that was me being cocky.</I>
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<lj-cut text="And because I'm an ass, I had to reply."> And because I'm an ass, I had to reply. Well, also because her toottoot or whatever replied to me in the author's notes of the latest chapter of the fic, which makes no sense to me. Nobody's got any class anymore...

<I>It's really easy to not leave a review. It's really
easy to not inform an author that their work is
enjoyed, or that it has things that should be fixed.
It's easy enough to say, "Well, that was neat. What
else was posted today?" and leave without forming a
line of communication. It is. If someone leaves a
dumb review, fine. Share it with Jade. Shrug it off.
Read your other reviews - you almost have 400. But
don't tell your readers - who will possibly leave more
reviews - that you laugh at what they tell you, as if
you're so important, you don't give a rat's ass what
anyone thinks. If that were true, you could very
easily keep your fic to yourself.

The implication is NOT that you stop writing
completely, and never was. I told you in the
beginning and end of my email that I enjoyed TMH.
However, you seem to have taken this immature stance
on every issue presented. "You don't like that one
thing I wrote? Hmph! Fine! I'll stop writing
altogether, see if I care!" I never meant to argue
with you about the brother issue. I meant to point
something out that I felt didn't mesh well with the
rest of your story. I sent it to you through private
email because I don't believe in making the review
page a message board.

If you disagree with me, fine. Your male family
*really* acts that way, and you molded those
characters after them, fine. Don't stress yourself
out over a few reviews to the point of "Oh, I cannot
continue, for lo, it is stressful."

But you seem to have covered your bases. If I tell
you that I don't like something about your fic, you'll
explain why I'm wrong. And if I compliment you and
say that I like TMH despite its problems, you'll tell
me that I'm such a moron for liking it, since you
pulled it out of your ass. I don't know if you're a
genius or a jackass.

<B>At times, I feel that I know men better than I know
women, not because I'm over-simplifying matters, but
because I've always been so much more comfortable
around them that I've had more time watching them,
learning their behaviors, and imitating them. </B>

Why in the world would you imitate them? FOR THE LOVE
OF GOD AND ALL THAT IS HOLY, do NOT imitate ANYONE who
would call someone they just met "an ugly loser" to
their face.

<B>Normally, I wouldn't really care about such niggling
details. You have no idea how many ridiculous
reviews I get asking about inane things that make me
stare at the computer screen and blink before saying
"did this person even READ the story?" before calling
Jade over to see if she can make head or tail of what
the person is saying. </B>

Thus is the pain of living. I'll share a secret with
you - Stupid people are everywhere. You laugh, you snark,
you move on. But not where they can see it.
Diplomacy: speak softly but keep sado-masochistic
telepathic minions.

<B>We make an honest effort to understand what our
readers are saying, but sometimes, they become
totally obsessed with something as completely
unimportant as if THEY think I understand brothers or
not.</B>

Separate yourself from your family. If you hadn't met
your brothers and your uncles and your stepfathers and
everyone Aaron and Gavin are based on, would YOU
believe two men would act like that?

Really, think about it.

<B>I know I'm not the best writer in the world, and I
seriously think it's a crime that Take My Hand has so
many reviews when it has no real plot! Seriously,
have any of you people even been reading it? No
plot, whatsoever! It's just a mound of mindless
drivel that I put together because my sister bet me
ten bucks I could never write a lime scene. So you
guys sit there and talk about something like "Hmm...I
think this is a very well written story, and it's
very in character, but honestly, do brothers act that
way? And where's his jacket?" and you wonder why
Jade and I laugh? It's a joke, do you get it? This
fic is probably the least well planned piece of
random fluff that I've pulled out of my ass ever, and
you guys are gobbling it up! It's FUNNY!</B>

I've decided. You're a jackass.

<B>I've known these people for twenty years, and I
really don't think that you can honestly sit there
and tell me that I don't know my brothers at all,
they act nothing like that, and oh, by the way, your
sister may agree with how you wrote them (they're her
brothers too, after all) but it's obviously nothing
more than an indulgent lie, as your sister (and all
your other friends) have never spoken one honest word
to you in your life! Wow, thank you, I will really,
really, take that indepth analysis of my personal
life to heart.</B>

Again with the all or nothings. Stop that.

<B>And yes, that was me being cocky.</B>

Actually, I'd categorize that as sarcastic.

Also, if Jade has something to say to me, have her
email me privately rather than hash it out in the
author's notes of a story she doesn't write. Nobody's
got any class anymore. (Including me, so you know
it's AWFUL when I call someone on it.)</I>
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I sent this out at about midnight tonight, and she already replied back. Because I'm as stubborn as she is stupid, I really want to say something back...but it's like fighting with a little kid. If I email her enough, I wonder if she'll say "I know you are, but what am I?"

<lj-cut text="Thus Spoke Teresa"> Thus Spoke Teresa.

<I>I thought I said case closed...apparently that part slipped past you. Anyway, I really DO think the story's a piece of shit, and if you've posted any crap stories, you should understand exactly what is so funny about the idea of you guys trying to analyze inane details of something so low quality that in all honesty, you shouldn't be reading it. Pretend we're in literary criticism, okay? If I were to give you a Harlequin romance and you came back, telling me all about the small details you found most aggravating or pleasing, I would laugh at you for missing the point. It doesn't have a plot, it never had a plot, it never WILL have a plot, and that's all there is to it. Don't call ME a jackass. You're the one gobbling that tripe up. If you're going to call me a jackass, at least say it's because I continued the fic for so long, as obviously it was an utter waste of my time and everyone elses.

Anyway, I really liked the part of your email where you asked me to pretend I'd never known my brothers or uncles or any of the guys that Gavin and Aaron was based on and then ask myself if I really thought two guys would act that way. Considering you're asking me to wipe out the better part of my close friends and family, I don't know if I'd even be sitting here today, talking to you. Maybe I'd end up being one of those girls that likes painting nails and gets all huffy about lifting heavy things if I'd never known more than a few guys in my life, I really don't want to think about such bizzare things. But as a writer, my job is to write what I know. I know boys, I write them. I'm sorry if you don't know any that act like that. I envy you.

Oh, and I am well aware that I was being more sarcastic than cocky. As that is how I am in my author's notes usually, and that is exactly what Jade was being in her review, I was actually mocking your misuse of the word cocky. Sorry you missed that. And I never said I'm never writing anything again ever. Don't accuse me of acting like it's all or nothing when you do the same thing. I'm writing other fics that I'm perfectly happy with. Not everything I write is based on a long ago bet.

Teresa</I>
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And then my brain broke and I was reminded why I never started that anime club at Rowan.

>^..^<

Date: 2003-06-05 06:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arafel.livejournal.com
I simply cannot believe the "ha ha on you, you're the ones gobbling this tripe up" attitude. Never have I seen an attitude that is more arrogant than that. It makes me extremely angry that I ever paid any attention to her fic, since I dislike being baited and thought of as stupid.

That bitch. I'd love to give her a piece of my mind, but this isn't my fight. However, if you need some extra snarkiness, you know who to email.

Date: 2003-06-05 06:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] esm.livejournal.com
>.< I can't decide if I'm disgusted or disappointed or what at this... child. She sounds rather pitiful.

Date: 2003-06-06 07:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zelamenomiko.livejournal.com
I gave up trying to figure her brain out after you first told me about what had gone on. And to be honest I had stopped reading her fic because the further I got, the less I enjoyed it. I didn't like her author notes, and I was getting really ticked with her attitude (and I was afraid she'd do to V and M what she did to Spike and Faye in one of her fics). And like Grey said, her Bebop fics are just as inane as "Take My Hand."

So I'm going to happily ignore it and continue following better fics like all the things my friends write. ^_^ Because ya'll kick her ass anyday. And she'll never be a bestselling author if she keeps writing crap like that and laughing at her readers. Nice way to isolate everyone. Pity her for knowing such ass holes for men. Hell, I'M scared of men, but even I knew these guys were off big time.

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